第 6 节
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  must be a sort of wisdom or prudence?
  Men。 I quite agree。
  Soc。 And the other goods; such as wealth and the like; of which we
  were just now saying that they are sometimes good and sometimes
  evil; do not they also become profitable or hurtful; accordingly as
  the soul guides and uses them rightly or wrongly; just as the things
  of the soul herself are benefited when under the guidance of wisdom
  and harmed by folly?
  Men。 True。
  Soc。 And the wise soul guides them rightly; and the foolish soul
  wrongly。
  Men。 Yes。
  Soc。 And is not this universally true of human nature? All other
  things hang upon the soul; and the things of the soul herself hang
  upon wisdom; if they are to be good; and so wisdom is inferred to be
  that which profits…and virtue; as we say; is profitable?
  Men。 Certainly。
  Soc。 And thus we arrive at the conclusion that virtue is either
  wholly or partly wisdom?
  Men。 I think that what you are saying; Socrates; is very true。
  Soc。 But if this is true; then the good are not by nature good?
  Men。 I think not。
  Soc。 If they had been; there would assuredly have been discerners of
  characters among us who would have known our future great men; and
  on their showing we should have adopted them; and when we had got
  them; we should have kept them in the citadel out of the way of
  harm; and set a stamp upon them far rather than upon a piece of
  gold; in order that no one might tamper with them; and when they
  grew up they would have been useful to the state?
  Men。 Yes; Socrates; that would have been the right way。
  Soc。 But if the good are not by nature good; are they made good by
  instruction?
  Men。 There appears to be no other alternative; Socrates。 On the
  supposition that virtue is knowledge; there can be no doubt that
  virtue is taught。
  Soc。 Yes; indeed; but what if the supposition is erroneous?
  Men。 I certainly thought just now that we were right。
  Soc。 Yes; Meno; but a principle which has any soundness should stand
  firm not only just now; but always。
  Men。 Well; and why are you so slow of heart to believe that
  knowledge is virtue?
  Soc。 I will try and tell you why; Meno。 I do not retract the
  assertion that if virtue is knowledge it may be taught; but I fear
  that I have some reason in doubting whether virtue is knowledge: for
  consider now。 and say whether virtue; and not only virtue but anything
  that is taught; must not have teachers and disciples?
  Men。 Surely。
  Soc。 And conversely; may not the art of which neither teachers nor
  disciples exist be assumed to be incapable of being taught?
  Men。 True; but do you think that there are no teachers of virtue?
  Soc。 I have certainly often enquired whether there were any; and
  taken great pains to find them; and have never succeeded; and many
  have assisted me in the search; and they were the persons whom I
  thought the most likely to know。 Here at the moment when he is
  wanted we fortunately have sitting by us Anytus; the very person of
  whom we should make enquiry; to him then let us repair。 In the first
  Place; he is the son of a wealthy and wise father; Anthemion; who
  acquired his wealth; not by accident or gift; like Ismenias the Theban
  (who has recently made himself as rich as Polycrates); but by his
  own skill and industry; and who is a well…conditioned; modest man; not
  insolent; or over…bearing; or annoying; moreover; this son of his
  has received a good education; as the Athenian people certainly appear
  to think; for they choose him to fill the highest offices。 And these
  are the sort of men from whom you are likely to learn whether there
  are any teachers of virtue; and who they are。 Please; Anytus; to
  help me and your friend Meno in answering our question; Who are the
  teachers? Consider the matter thus: If we wanted Meno to be a good
  physician; to whom should we send him? Should we not send him to the
  physicians?
  Any。 Certainly。
  Soc。 Or if we wanted him to be a good cobbler; should we not send
  him to the cobblers?
  Any。 Yes。
  Soc。 And so forth?
  Any。 Yes。
  Soc。 Let me trouble you with one more question。 When we say that
  we should be right in sending him to the physicians if we wanted him
  to be a physician; do we mean that we should be right in sending him
  to those who profess the art; rather than to those who do not; and
  to those who demand payment for teaching the art; and profess to teach
  it to any one who will come and learn? And if these were our
  reasons; should we not be right in sending him?
  Any。 Yes。
  Soc。 And might not the same be said of flute…playing; and of the
  other arts? Would a man who wanted to make another a flute…player
  refuse to send him to those who profess to teach the art for money;
  and be plaguing other persons to give him instruction; who are not
  professed teachers and who never had a single disciple in that
  branch of knowledge which he wishes him to acquire…would not such
  conduct be the height of folly?
  Any。 Yes; by Zeus; and of ignorance too。
  Soc。 Very good。 And now you are in a position to advise with me
  about my friend Meno。 He has been telling me; Anytus; that he
  desires to attain that kind of wisdom and…virtue by which men order
  the state or the house; and honour their parents; and know when to
  receive and when to send away citizens and strangers; as a good man
  should。 Now; to whom should he go in order that he may learn this
  virtue? Does not the previous argument imply clearly that we should
  send him to those who profess and avouch that they are the common
  teachers of all Hellas; and are ready to impart instruction to any one
  who likes; at a fixed price?
  Any。 Whom do you mean; Socrates?
  Soc。 You surely know; do you not; Anytus; that these are the
  people whom mankind call Sophists?
  Any。 By Heracles; Socrates; forbear! I only hope that no friend or
  kinsman or acquaintance of mine; whether citizen or stranger; will
  ever be so mad as to allow himself to be corrupted by them; for they
  are a manifest pest and corrupting influences to those who have to
  do with them。
  Soc。 What; Anytus? Of all the people who profess that they know
  how to do men good; do you mean to say that these are the only ones
  who not only do them no good; but positively corrupt those who are
  entrusted to them; and in return for this disservice have the face
  to demand money? Indeed; I cannot believe you; for I know of a
  single man; Protagoras; who made more out of his craft than the
  illustrious Pheidias; who created such noble works; or any ten other
  statuaries。 How could that A mender of old shoes; or patcher up of
  clothes; who made the shoes or clothes worse than he received them;
  could not have remained thirty days undetected; and would very soon
  have starved; whereas during more than forty years; Protagoras was
  corrupting all Hellas; and sending his disciples from him worse than
  he received them; and he was never found out。 For; if I am not
  mistaken;…he was about seventy years old at his death; forty of
  which were spent in the practice of his profession; and during all
  that time he had a good reputation; which to this day he retains:
  and not only Protagoras; but many others are well spoken of; some
  who lived before him; and others who are still living。 Now; when you
  say that they deceived and corrupted the youth; are they to be
  supposed to have corrupted them consciously or unconsciously? Can
  those who were deemed by many to be the wisest men of Hellas have been
  out of their minds?
  Any。 Out of their minds! No; Socrates; the young men who gave
  their money to them; were out of their minds; and their relations
  and guardians who entrusted their youth to the care of these men
  were still more out of their minds; and most of all; the cities who
  allowed them to come in; and did not drive them out; citizen and
  stranger alike。
  Soc。 Has any of the Sophists wronged you; Anytus? What makes you
  so angry with them?
  Any。 No; indeed; neither I nor any of my belongings has ever had;
  nor would I suffer them to have; anything to do with them。
  Soc。 Then you are entirely unacquainted with them?
  Any。 And I have no wish to be acquainted。
  Soc。 Then; my dear friend; how can you know whether a thing is
  good or bad of which you are wholly ignorant?
  Any。 Quite well; I am sure that I know what manner of men these are;
  whether I am acquainted with them or not。
  Soc。 You must be a diviner; Anytus; for I really cannot make out;
  judging from your own words; how; if you are not acquainted with them;
  you know about them。 But I am not enquiring of you who are the
  teachers who will corrupt Meno (let them be; if you please; the
  Sophists)