第 15 节
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旅游巴士 更新:2022-11-23 12:13 字数:9322
then each action will be done according to the arts or sciences; and no one
professing to be a pilot when he is not; or any physician or general; or
any one else pretending to know matters of which he is ignorant; will
deceive or elude us; our health will be improved; our safety at sea; and
also in battle; will be assured; our coats and shoes; and all other
instruments and implements will be skilfully made; because the workmen will
be good and true。 Aye; and if you please; you may suppose that prophecy;
which is the knowledge of the future; will be under the control of wisdom;
and that she will deter deceivers and set up the true prophets in their
place as the revealers of the future。 Now I quite agree that mankind; thus
provided; would live and act according to knowledge; for wisdom would watch
and prevent ignorance from intruding on us。 But whether by acting
according to knowledge we shall act well and be happy; my dear Critias;
this is a point which we have not yet been able to determine。
Yet I think; he replied; that if you discard knowledge; you will hardly
find the crown of happiness in anything else。
But of what is this knowledge? I said。 Just answer me that small question。
Do you mean a knowledge of shoemaking?
God forbid。
Or of working in brass?
Certainly not。
Or in wool; or wood; or anything of that sort?
No; I do not。
Then; I said; we are giving up the doctrine that he who lives according to
knowledge is happy; for these live according to knowledge; and yet they are
not allowed by you to be happy; but I think that you mean to confine
happiness to particular individuals who live according to knowledge; such
for example as the prophet; who; as I was saying; knows the future。 Is it
of him you are speaking or of some one else?
Yes; I mean him; but there are others as well。
Yes; I said; some one who knows the past and present as well as the future;
and is ignorant of nothing。 Let us suppose that there is such a person;
and if there is; you will allow that he is the most knowing of all living
men。
Certainly he is。
Yet I should like to know one thing more: which of the different kinds of
knowledge makes him happy? or do all equally make him happy?
Not all equally; he replied。
But which most tends to make him happy? the knowledge of what past;
present; or future thing? May I infer this to be the knowledge of the game
of draughts?
Nonsense about the game of draughts。
Or of computation?
No。
Or of health?
That is nearer the truth; he said。
And that knowledge which is nearest of all; I said; is the knowledge of
what?
The knowledge with which he discerns good and evil。
Monster! I said; you have been carrying me round in a circle; and all this
time hiding from me the fact that the life according to knowledge is not
that which makes men act rightly and be happy; not even if knowledge
include all the sciences; but one science only; that of good and evil。
For; let me ask you; Critias; whether; if you take away this; medicine will
not equally give health; and shoemaking equally produce shoes; and the art
of the weaver clothes?whether the art of the pilot will not equally save
our lives at sea; and the art of the general in war?
Quite so。
And yet; my dear Critias; none of these things will be well or beneficially
done; if the science of the good be wanting。
True。
But that science is not wisdom or temperance; but a science of human
advantage; not a science of other sciences; or of ignorance; but of good
and evil: and if this be of use; then wisdom or temperance will not be of
use。
And why; he replied; will not wisdom be of use? For; however much we
assume that wisdom is a science of sciences; and has a sway over other
sciences; surely she will have this particular science of the good under
her control; and in this way will benefit us。
And will wisdom give health? I said; is not this rather the effect of
medicine? Or does wisdom do the work of any of the other arts;do they
not each of them do their own work? Have we not long ago asseverated that
wisdom is only the knowledge of knowledge and of ignorance; and of nothing
else?
That is obvious。
Then wisdom will not be the producer of health。
Certainly not。
The art of health is different。
Yes; different。
Nor does wisdom give advantage; my good friend; for that again we have just
now been attributing to another art。
Very true。
How then can wisdom be advantageous; when giving no advantage?
That; Socrates; is certainly inconceivable。
You see then; Critias; that I was not far wrong in fearing that I could
have no sound notion about wisdom; I was quite right in depreciating
myself; for that which is admitted to be the best of all things would never
have seemed to us useless; if I had been good for anything at an enquiry。
But now I have been utterly defeated; and have failed to discover what that
is to which the imposer of names gave this name of temperance or wisdom。
And yet many more admissions were made by us than could be fairly granted;
for we admitted that there was a science of science; although the argument
said No; and protested against us; and we admitted further; that this
science knew the works of the other sciences (although this too was denied
by the argument); because we wanted to show that the wise man had knowledge
of what he knew and did not know; also we nobly disregarded; and never even
considered; the impossibility of a man knowing in a sort of way that which
he does not know at all; for our assumption was; that he knows that which
he does not know; than which nothing; as I think; can be more irrational。
And yet; after finding us so easy and good…natured; the enquiry is still
unable to discover the truth; but mocks us to a degree; and has gone out of
its way to prove the inutility of that which we admitted only by a sort of
supposition and fiction to be the true definition of temperance or wisdom:
which result; as far as I am concerned; is not so much to be lamented; I
said。 But for your sake; Charmides; I am very sorrythat you; having such
beauty and such wisdom and temperance of soul; should have no profit or
good in life from your wisdom and temperance。 And still more am I grieved
about the charm which I learned with so much pain; and to so little profit;
from the Thracian; for the sake of a thing which is nothing worth。 I think
indeed that there is a mistake; and that I must be a bad enquirer; for
wisdom or temperance I believe to be really a great good; and happy are
you; Charmides; if you certainly possess it。 Wherefore examine yourself;
and see whether you have this gift and can do without the charm; for if you
can; I would rather advise you to regard me simply as a fool who is never
able to reason out anything; and to rest assured that the more wise and
temperate you are; the happier you will be。
Charmides said: I am sure that I do not know; Socrates; whether I have or
have not this gift of wisdom and temperance; for how can I know whether I
have a thing; of which even you and Critias are; as you say; unable to
discover the nature?(not that I believe you。) And further; I am sure;
Socrates; that I do need the charm; and as far as I am concerned; I shall
be willing to be charmed by you daily; until you say that I have had
enough。
Very good; Charmides; said Critias; if you do this I shall have a proof of
your temperance; that is; if you allow yourself to be charmed by Socrates;
and never desert him at all。
You may depend on my following and not deserting him; said Charmides: if
you who are my guardian command me; I should be very wrong not to obey you。
And I do command you; he said。
Then I will do as you say; and begin this very day。
You sirs; I said; what are you conspiring about?
We are not conspiring; said Charmides; we have conspired already。
And are you about to use violence; without even going through the forms of
justice?
Yes; I shall use violence; he replied; since he orders me; and therefore
you had better consider well。
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